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Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 676	Posted - 2015.07.21 07:13:00 - [1] - Quote so a certain someone keeps making threads about nerfing the BP I have some simple things to say that should not be hard to understand the BP does roughly 250 damage and the head shot multiplies it about twice as much so roughly 500 in turn the brach ScP does about 150 damge has better RoF and more ammo it also has no delay in firing so you don't have to track targets the headshot multiplies it about 4 times as much that's 600 damage per shot with no delay and better RoF a lot of people complain about weapons without even understanding how they work or how to counter them the BP does not need to be nerfed perhaps a rework could be made but not a nerf anyone saying that they have gotten x amount of kills an no deaths is full of bs if they show no proof, I myself have gone 20+/10+ or so with one of the most difficult/debatably UP weapons in the game the burst ScP that doesn't make it OP by any means and it doesn't even show my skill as a player as I have gotten the reverse of that in many other attempts to replicate those stats there are some weapons that need way more attention rather then trying to nerf a good sidearm the focus should be on buffing those that need help such as the breach flaylock or the burst ScP and others such as the breach massdriver and perhaps even the assault smg click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 677	Posted - 2015.07.21 07:47:00 - [2] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Server side hit detection is why you're seeing hits whiff by you. It's the same as the time I tested my hit detection with someone and my reticle was dead on but he was seeing me shoot five feet away. Your PS3 extrapolates where the enemy is shooting based on the position and facing of the target. But the lag delay can make it appear they missed by a mile. Then the server says: "Nope. You just got whacked." It's really hilarious when you are trying to fire a forge gun at a tank when this sh*t happens. you are correct I have had this happen to me with ScR ScP and even the RR click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 677	Posted - 2015.07.21 08:07:00 - [3] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: The Breach pistol does have a delay between shots, you don't see it firing as fast as an ion pistol. While your math may be "roughly" correct it still doesn't change the fact that Bolt pistol positives greatly out weigh its negatives, the AA for the gun easily discredits the charge that is there to balance rail weaponry. But this just further proves that the last rebalancing of sidearms was a complete failure. that's right its between shots not before them the AA for the gun is no different then for any other so that's false my math is taking into account skills that most players don't have there is no reason why the BP should be nerfed it is not over performing by any means I say this not because I use it, I hardly do as I prefer the magsec, but because it is simply true the BP used to have 150 damage per shot and even back then people would complain about it because they did not like the fact that such a weapon could kill them in a few shots even tho it was lacking which is why it received a substantial buff if you have ever played without AA instead of calling one weapon OP because of HD you'd see that it actually takes skill saying that the BP is OP just because of hit detection is ignorant your opinion is invalid as many weapons benefit from it not just the BP not to mention that almost every sidearm is capable of higher DPS the only reason people complain is because they get OHK I have seem skilled BP users that go 20/0 not these scrubs that claim to do it but actual players that know how to use it have good aim and use appropriate fittings to take advantage of its strong points, but I bet even most of the elite players couldn't do that consecutively especially not without proto everything and BP skills maxed If someone can show me solid evidence of how OP the BP is then I will change my view but I know for a fact that no one will be able to do that no matter how much AA may help them, also I have yet to see a field full of BP users but I still see a bunch of ScR's and AScR's out there click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 677	Posted - 2015.07.21 08:14:00 - [4] - Quote I would propose this as everyone seems to think that AA is what makes it OP remove the Cross hairs and make it a dot meaning it would be a precision weapon, wherever the dot is, is where the bullet lands meaning no one can complain about AA being too powerful and remove the scope make it an iron sight the weapon remains almost the same but now no one can complain about how OP the AA on it is and they can QQ about something else like how much they suck at the game click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 681	Posted - 2015.07.21 15:20:00 - [5] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: There is definitely something wonky in it's bullet magnetism. I remember Aeon made a video about which you could clearly see something is off. Personally I want it back as a six shooter... bullet magnetism yes (its called AA) BP no the AA is the problem id rather have that removed then to ruin the BP like they did with the rail rifle and I myself would not mind it going back to the way it was I'm just tired of all the scrubs trying to push their own agendas as it is one of the few weapons that can deal enough alpha damage to wreck armor suits click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 681	Posted - 2015.07.21 15:41:00 - [6] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: So remove AA from from BP is something you'd go for? I feel like this would solve plenty of problems with the gun without changing it's fundamental stats. removing AA altogether would suit me just fine then we can start talking about true balance but yeah if it was removed from just the BP I would not mind one bit click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 682	Posted - 2015.07.21 16:04:00 - [7] - Quote AndyAndio wrote: Time to go Proto on it, at least Prof. III and proceed to extract tears.- you'll be sadly disappointed but good luck anyway click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 684	Posted - 2015.07.21 16:45:00 - [8] - Quote Shadowed Cola wrote: What's the damage type of the BP? 250 is quite a bit at range for a handheld, charge up time or no. If you're losing to SMG - how about fighting one further away? o.0 rail does more to armor then to shields but at range you don't notice the AA as if you ADS you don't really get any AA the AA is only really an issue at almost point blank range where the cross hairs if more then likely covering half of the opponents body and 250 is not that much considering that most weapons do a bit over 300 dps and getting only 4 shots means you lose a lot of potential damage if you miss not to mention that you only get 4 shots before having to reload and the range is not that great the damage starts to falloff a lot you can go to protofits to check how much damage it does at any range from 0-150m and since you have to charge your shot initially the opponent has more time to react click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 684	Posted - 2015.07.21 16:50:00 - [9] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: If it didn't fire magnetic bullets it would be fine. it doesn't fire magnetic bullets try playing without Aim assist, almost all the weapons benefit from AA and they have the same level of assist its not like the BP gets more AA then the SMG I think there is a misconception about how the weapon works and how AA works as many people argue those points without understanding one or the other I encourage you to play without AA not only with the BP but any rifle or sidearm you should see a big difference as most players heavily rely on it (these are the players that will tell you to strafe and not worry about aiming) click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 686	Posted - 2015.07.22 10:38:00 - [10] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: That's horseshit..is any1 buying this crap ???? I use SMG exclusively and its total garbage in comparison.. No hit detection.. No damage.. Urbjust another bp scrub telling lies funny how the BP is so OP but you refuse to use it and the weapon you do use you say is complete garbage if you don't even use the BP you should not be trying to voice your invalid opinion no hit detection? do you even aim? no damage? it shreds trough armor like its paper I have the toxin and I use it all the time, the SMG is one of the most if not the most reliable sidearm in the game the ability to fire it full auto and overall performance makes it a go to on almost any build not only do you try to spread false information about the BP but now the SMG as well perhaps if you would've said the assault smg I may have believed you but even then its still not garbage like you claim it to be click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's

Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 686	Posted - 2015.07.22 10:52:00 - [11] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyerr wrote: That someone is me ! :D This is my first match today ! Dual Wielding this weapon ! http://m.imgur.com/hZAqJ86 I actually thank you for posting this as I can use it to disprove many things people are trying to say first of all you were using an Amarr suit its safe to assume you had a logi with you and stacked armor but we can put that aside for now ( evidence for this can be taken from healing received) you only got one head shot kill if its head shot adhesion is so strong why did you not get more? you only got 22 kill and died twice if it is so OP why did you die at all and not get say 30 or 40 kills? I've seen plenty of people go 30/0 or higher does that make everything they use OP? you were using the Kaalakiota BP that's the prototype version so its safe to assume you have skilled into it a fair amount if it is so OP why did you not use the regular BP instead why bother skilling into it if its so OP it shouldn't need you to sklll into it the std version should perform just as well then we have the longest kill only at 54.41m is that a pocket sniper? really? then why arent you getting kills at over 75m? or better yet 100+ overall those scores seem fair to me but even so it's hardly any proof that you actually did it, it could've been anyone and you just downloaded it and claimed it as your own I've gone 20/0 with KN's and even with the Ion pistol, I've gotten head shots kills from over 70m with the ScP, I've even duel wielded the burst ScP and had a kill ratio of 2:1 cant remember the score exactly but it was about 25/12 or close to that, none of this is proof that one of these is better then the other or that one in particular is OP real proof would be a video in where you don't aim once at least no ADS and get the same or better results with a good bit of those being head shots click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 686	Posted - 2015.07.22 10:57:00 - [12] - Quote Karam Arami wrote: I consider it op because I killed two gallente scouts and a min heavy by aiming OVER their heads! Bp is not a precision weapon, its a ****Ing shotgun sidearm. This was three days ago. So I don't use it. two scouts, scouts have relatively low HP a charged ion pistol takes them out just as fast aiming above the head with any weapon if you have AA turned on will make more shots land as long as a portion of the cross hairs are on the body, if you don't believe me take a combat rifle and try it out even if you cross hairs don't turn red the target will still take damage due to AA if a part of the cross hairs is on the target that is a problem all on its own and I agree that AA is a problem I do not mind taking it out of the game completely that just means I'd get more kills and everyone else would have a harder time playing without a crutch click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's
Sicerly Yaw Corrosive Synergy No Context 687	Posted - 2015.07.22 13:56:00 - [13] - Quote tffvbhb wrote: Sicerly Yaw wrote: there are some weapons that need way more attention rather then trying to nerf a good sidearm the focus should be on buffing those that need help such as the breach flaylock or the burst ScP and others such as the breach massdriver and perhaps even the assault smg If the burst ScP had less spread and gave it more ammo I would use the burst ScP more I think it's a fun weapon though honestly I'd rather it stay the way it is just add more ammo so it doesn't run out as fast click here if you are making a new account and want some free BPO's

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